These are global energies of Saturn in Pisces or in 12th House which must be nuanced according to your birth chart, see the article on Saturn in birth chart; see also the article on the general interpretation of Saturn.
The planet Saturn is one of the attributes of the Animus in the chart, as such it can indicate a Projection of this one, in particular the “father”.
It informs about our responsibilities, seriousness, rigour, moral sense, our prudence, or patience, our capacity to discipline ourselves, to build solid things, to reach wisdom.
It can also mark fatality, restrictions, difficulties, things that take time and are frustrated, fears, guilt, sadness, loneliness, as well as our capacity for introspection…
Given that Saturn stays for about 2 and a half years per sign, its position in houses is more meaningful for personality. The sign’s energy gives above all an elemental background colouring common to an age group, which will apply more personally to the area of life signified by the house. Therefore, concentrate first of all on the impacted house, as the sign gives a background tone.
Considerable self-control and powers of introspection
Here, the planet is under Neptune’s direct yet antagonistic rulership : these two celestial bodies have aims that are clearly quite different, since Saturn is a planet that sets limits and boundaries, requires structure, and may also give rise to various forms of solidification, slowing or holding back change and “freezing” one’s current state or even trying to go back to a prior state, while Neptune, on the other hand, is the planet of openness and dissolution, as it erases limits to move people towards an undifferentiated, formless state that is more variable, elusive, and free-flowing, and it may allow people to overcome the obstacles of their ego and tend towards a universal monad.
That said, if these energies can be sublimated and put forth their best sides without their respective shortcomings, this can be very helpful, because this Saturnian energy will be able to focus that which Neptune has awakened, and in return the Neptunian energy may force saturn to ease up and consider other, more metaphysical things in its calculations !
Despite all of that, this is still a complicated, delicate position for this planet, and the first downside here may be the intense withdrawal and introversion that this positioning may lead to. Of course, this may be useful for work that involves analysis, psychoanalysis, or introspection; it’s a kind of solitude and isolation that may be “productive” (through meditation, retreats, and prayer), but it can also easily lead to or go hand in hand with significant psychological crises in the context of Depression, along with all of the tricky, sensitive aspects that you could imagine.
This is truly a position of sangfroid, introversion (it even gives people a highly magnetic, hypnotic side), and even good management of frustration, so to speak. It has an energy that requires us to get in contact with our self-control in various ways and allows us to discover the utility of renunciation and detachment, and in this respect it’s of course very powerful; but oh how it goes against our materialistic, consumerist society, in which, on the contrary, we constantly seek only to “make man yield” !
From a symbolic point of view, Pisces / 12th House energies represent death and the end of a cycle, and birth may be considered to be difficult (by either mother or child). This impresses the idea that “life is hard” on these people from the very beginning of their lives, and there is a risk that this will pursue them throughout their entire incarnation.
Having Saturn in the 12th House or Pisces is not easy socially, nor in a work context or for anything that relates to the notion of a group or a network, though it may also influence people on an affective level. These energies are more useful for retreats, being a hermit, and solitude (whether it be intentional or unintentional), and give people a tendency to avoid crowds of people, which results in some level of agoraphobia.
These people’s grandparents or some other older, more mature person may have some role to play in their spiritual, philosophical, and mystical awakening, sometimes without even realizing it, or sometimes by providing a counterexample that should not be followed.
If you are a hypochondriac, I highly recommend that you avoid reading ancient books on the traditional astrology of this planetary position, as you would find various aphorisms in there that are really not very encouraging, especially in terms of health. 🙂
Fortunately, modern astrology, and in particular humanistic and psychological astrology, have undergone much evolution regarding the “Greater Malefic” saturn, and the “areo of shadows” of the 12th House : it has refined its interpretations and also allows us to understand that this sort of positioning is useful for carrying out a “karmic purge” of one’s incarnation, and does not necessarily lead to serious chronic illness or accidents.
On the other hand, these people’s no-nonsense side may be very dominant and greatly restrict their receptiveness and imagination, especially if their aquatic and transpersonal energies are also hindered.
This limiting, frustrating side may be experienced as very annoying and restrictive, especially if the planet forms difficult aspects, in which case notions of loss and fatality may come into play.
With Saturn in this position, people’s pessimistic side may be very significant, restricting their personal, internal development and making them doubt themselves and give up more easily; “how others see them” may have devastating effects.
They may also feel some sort of vague guilt that they have trouble explaining, where they take on a huge amount of responsibility, which may lead them to bear the cross of the entire world on their back in a way, as they say (at the risk of being exploited by others), and may lead to some level of underlying nostalgia, melancholy, or ennui, a latent spleen.
It’s very important to consciously find different ways of expressing saturn’s energies, and not keep the burden that they may represent inside of yourself, but rather do something useful with them. The worst thing to do would be to lock yourself away in a sea of boredom and barrenness.
Saturn retrograde in the 12th House and Pisces
Saturn’s Retrograde motion in this sign is of course likely to further increase people’s tendency to withdraw, and may also make it more difficult to express emotions related to this planet.
Saturn’s retrograde motion in a birth chart is of lesser importance than the other dominant features of a birth chart, since it is a social, collective planet, though it is still significant.
It is useful to monitor the evolution of this retrograde motion through Progressions. Changes that occur here may not necessarily give rise to specific, noteworthy events, but they may indicate non-negligible psychological changes in how this planet’s energies are used.
Celebrities with Saturn in 12th House
Goethe, Charles Darwin, Vladimir Putin, Matthew McConaughey, Glenn Close, Angelina Jolie, Michael Schumacher, Ayrton Senna, Federico Fellini, arack Obama, George W Bush, Ted Bundy…
Celebrities with Saturn in Pisces
14th Dalai Lama, Kurt Cobain, Isaac Newton, Jack Nicholson, Mike Tyson, Keanu Reeves, Edgar Cayce, Ariana Grande,Russell Crowe, Björk, Alain Delon, Joseph Staline, Rocco Siffredi, Jane Fonda, JK Rowling, Simone de Beauvoir, Jean Paul Sartre, Anthony Hopkins, Woody Allen…